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The Diagnosis and Winners

By Dr. Andrew Jones

Last week I posted some Xrays, asking for a diagnosis.

You guys are very smart, and I was surprised as to how many are able to interpret the Xrays, knowing what joint is involved, giving a diagnosis and suggesting treatment.

Many of you guessed correctly, but I was specifically looking for the most likely underlying cause.

3 winners were chosen, and Michael will be sending you a copy of my new course.

Thanks for taking part!

Dr Andrew

The Joint

This is the stifle or knee joint.

The Diagnosis

There is likely a torn ACL ( anterior cruciate ligament), possible meniscal injury, with secondary arthritis.


The initial treatment is rest, supplement with Glucosamine/Chondroitin, MSM ( such as in Ultimate Canine), topical holistic antiinflammatory ( ie Traumeel Cream), and the use of compresses, cold when it is initially injured, then hot packs morning and evening as the initial swelling comes down.

This dog did have sedation, and was tested for ACL injury with a positive drawer sign- meaning the tibia moves forward to the femur. This is diagnostic of an ACL tear.

Extension and flexion of the joint revealed a click, giving strong suspicions that the meniscus ( shock absorbers) in the knee were also injured.

This dog did have ACL repair surgery, and a section of the menisci was removed as well.

Long term, the knee is never the same, so this dog was put on my supplement permanently.

IF any of your pets are to ever have a similar injury, I advise that they stay on a joint supplement long term.

The WINNERS are:

Jeanie Notti-Fullerton Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:51 am e

Knee…was the “drawer test” done? Possibly a torn ACL with a damaged meniscus. Rest, begin with Standard Process Ligaplex II, liquid Glucosamine/Chondroitin, MSM, a good homeopathic anti-inflammatory. If so surgery may be needed to remove damaged material and stabilize the joint. I was successful healing my girl without surgery.


gerri mitchell Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 10:17 am e

possible torn or ruptured CCL and arthritis in knee joint. TPLO of TTA surgery. extended rehab.
with natural anti inflammatory supplements such as salmon oil and turmeric.

I will be anxious to hear the result of this discussion. What is the right answer? a fun project for amateurs.

79. Kath Kerr Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 8:23 pm e

Knee joint, Cruciate ligament with arthritis setting in. Crate rest, Glucosamine, Chrondroitin, MSM (all in the Dr Jones’dog supplement) Rhus Tox, Arnica and MSM and keep taking dog to Dr JONES :>)))


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Topics: Dog Care, Dog Health, Pet Care, Pet health | 8 Comments »

8 Responses to “The Diagnosis and Winners”

  1. Avatar Pat Says:
    January 23rd, 2012 at 5:42 am

    Congratulations to the Winners – you are all great diagnosticians.

  2. Avatar Jeanie Notti-Fullerton Says:
    January 23rd, 2012 at 7:04 am

    That is very cool! This was a good practice exercise for holistic practitioners like me as well as to teach owners more about their dog’s body functions. Thanks Dr. Andrew!!! Please do this again.

  3. Avatar Annette Says:
    January 23rd, 2012 at 11:58 am

    Love to see how smart your readers are!
    Makes for interesting commentary.
    Congrats to all!

  4. Avatar Robyn Lee Wren Says:
    January 23rd, 2012 at 2:24 pm

    Any thoughts re large nasal carcinoma poofing up between the eyes and growing down both nostrils of a 7-yr-old, 9# Yorkie? Marne has a history of immune issues: black, crumpled ear edges from Rabies, dry scaly patches on outer hind legs, losing her toenails now–perhaps from the chemo?

    Started on Carboplatin which reduced the tumor 50% also taking Pyroxicam, large doses of D3, L-arginine, Apocaps, and of course your supplement.

    Switched to Doxirubin last week then returning to Carboplatin in 2 weeks. Nostrils inflamed and partially clogged today. Periods of discomfort.

  5. Avatar Terri Says:
    January 23rd, 2012 at 9:07 pm

    Robyn Lee Wren, I was wondering if you did a biopsy
    on this dog?

  6. Avatar Kath Says:
    January 23rd, 2012 at 9:58 pm

    How cool is that – never win anything – well done the other winners – and…thanks Dr Andrew for the giving us all a go at diagnosis…when’s the next one:>) cheers – Kath PS – hope the dog’s doing well…

  7. Avatar Annie Says:
    January 24th, 2012 at 7:28 am

    Congrats to the winners. However they all lean toward homeopathic remedies, which we know Dr. Jones is well known for. And the last statement about “keep taking the dog to Dr. Jones” sounds like she may have had some help with her “diagnosis/treatment” plus giving him a plug for his supplement. But all in all it was fun to work on. Also would like to know how a dog gets a black, crumpled ear from rabies from?(from #4 of responsesabove). Last I heard the only way to positively identify rabies is to examine the brain of a dead animal.

  8. Avatar Vanessa Says:
    February 9th, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    looks like a compound fracture


Dr. Andrew Jones, DVM